here is the result:
we managed to sort out a timing issue that brougth torque down by 60lbs at 4000-4500 which empeded the rest of the HPs. the curve then resumed were it should when timing was re-advanced
the main problem was with the raw timing values.
timing in the main map and knock was the same at 21 deg.
but when looking at the datalog, timing was set at 7deg for 1000 rpm (during peak torque)
I'm guessing the knock sensor was thinking it was hearing knock?
ow
so after looking everywhere for that damn missing 13-14 degs, we were going to abandon the search when I tried something.
Instead of working with filtered value I decided to have a look at the raw values!!!! BEHOLD the exact cells being accessed during the ignition retard were cells with the 150 154!!!
we changed those damn cells to the correct values and BAM ~60lbs more for 1000RPM
Now please tell me what exactly happens when these cells are being accessed? as both standard and knock timing maps were the same
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and if it's safe like that it's nicer 