Windows CE 5.0

skylinegtrhr · Post by **skylinegtrhr** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:32 pm

We plan to put double DIN car PC in our demo car with NIStune but most of these unit are with Windows CE are NIStune software and PLMS consult fully compatible with Windows CE?
We don't plan to map car (I don't have such small fingers

) with it but mostly for logging and of course for demonstration of NIStune software.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:41 am

Windows CE is has a subset of the Windows functionality. I believe we exceed that so Nistune wont work for windows CE

You have to specially code for CE for it to work

chris2712au · Post by **chris2712au** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:53 pm

mate if you just want to display gauges... buy an RVIT from Blitz... it plugs into any in car TV... or reversing camera input of a stock system... those car pc's are crap IMO.. it should also work with the nistune...

skylinegtrhr · Post by **skylinegtrhr** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:11 pm

chris2712au wrote:mate if you just want to display gauges... buy an RVIT from Blitz... it plugs into any in car TV... or reversing camera input of a stock system... those car pc's are crap IMO.. it should also work with the nistune...

http://www.blitz.co.jp/new-product/r-vit_i-color.pdf

I know for those r-vit and CAMP2 from HKS(CAMP2 has additional harness for consult but HKS said "No. CP03001 in manufacturing products in a previous communication type setting "NISSAN1" As long as the vehicle, there may not appear at all the data items. (Example models: BNR32, S14) ") but they work on ODB2 ( one of my customers are planing to order it for 2008 Honda)

And IMO car PC is without any practical functionality but it's demo car so it already have many unnecessary parts

MichaS14a · Post by **MichaS14a** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:33 pm

If you want only gauges with a consult connection you can use ECUTalk.
http://www.ecutalk.com/ecutalk.aspx

ECUTalk runs on a normal windows-laptop and also on a PDA under Windows CE.

FHCRSky · Post by **FHCRSky** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:02 am

Maybe a mini tablet PC with 7 inch sceen, solid state hard drive, touch screen, etc. Solid state hard drive is better if car is getting bumped around while driving.

Like this Mini-Mustang Touch Tablet PC for example with 4x USB ports (one for wideband, one for Consult cable, etc), Windows XP pro, LAN, WiFi, etc -

http://www.ieoem.com/mini-mustang_specifications.htm

It looks like you can fit a mouse (trackball mouse or similar to use Nistune) if the screen is too small to touch. Not sure how you would enter numbers on cells for maps, tables, etc, but it could have a popup GUI keyboard or need an external USB keyboard. Both mouse, keyboard could be fitted via the 2x spare USB ports.

With VGA out, could run a bigger TV screen, keyboard, mouse, etc and hide the tablet PC behind the dash???

Then rewire plug, etc for power cord to supply power from car battery, as it requires a 12V source.

To add extra gauges / sensors, could adapt a Apexi, Defi or similar daisy chain gauge setup and take output signals from control unit (cut looms to gauges and fit USB plugs) for oiltemp (non GTR), oilpressure, exhaust temp, etc. Then input the signals via a few custom USB cables, with custom code / USB drivers PC side to translate to extra gauges through Nistune software, if you don't run a keyboard or mouse. Not sure if you could combine the looms / signals via a box on USB cable (similar to what stock ECU does before outputting via Consult cable to PC) and translate software side for one USB cable.

MichaS14a · Post by **MichaS14a** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:22 pm

I have built in a CarPC in my S14a with a 7 inch Touchscreen. It works well with NIStune but the screen is too small for mapping as the values shown in the maps are too tiny in the native resolution of the screen (800x600).
So my CarPC works well for logging and showing values of sensors while driving but for mapping a laptop with a bigger screen and a higher resolution is recommended.
That is my experience.

skylinegtrhr · Post by **skylinegtrhr** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:39 am

MichaS14a wrote:I have built in a CarPC in my S14a with a 7 inch Touchscreen. It works well with NIStune but the screen is too small for mapping as the values shown in the maps are too tiny in the native resolution of the screen (800x600).
So my CarPC works well for logging and showing values of sensors while driving but for mapping a laptop with a bigger screen and a higher resolution is recommended.
That is my experience.

That exactly what I also need, not for mapping.
Can You tell me does it work under XP or CE?
What type is Yours CarPC?

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:15 pm

Might want to know that last weekend that I split the mapping window into two pieces

It meant taking the class behind the window and cutting it into a 'panel' and the 'grid'

Once I did that and got it compiled, I've managed to add extra code to the frame work to synchronise the 'panel' 'grid' and 'map' for fuel/timing maps

So now the 'grid' is resizable and that works well... however the scaling of the fonts is not so well yet. I've found that the fonts can be scaled by x,y but if they get too big you lose numbers in the grid (eg 14.71 = 14... displayed)

Next beta release I will pull out the font scaling for now (just so the release still works) and then work on that again when I have time. But once I get it working properly (hopefully) then you can make that window bigger/smaller and the fonts will resize accordingly

I've also added a 'auto connect' to consult when starting Nistune. Ideal for car PC users when you wish to connect. However the consult button doesnt go red when it does this so need to fix that glitch.

MichaS14a · Post by **MichaS14a** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:24 am

skylinegtrhr wrote:
MichaS14a wrote:I have built in a CarPC in my S14a with a 7 inch Touchscreen. It works well with NIStune but the screen is too small for mapping as the values shown in the maps are too tiny in the native resolution of the screen (800x600).
So my CarPC works well for logging and showing values of sensors while driving but for mapping a laptop with a bigger screen and a higher resolution is recommended.
That is my experience.
That exactly what I also need, not for mapping.
Can You tell me does it work under XP or CE?
What type is Yours CarPC?

I use a self builded system with the following components:

- M1-ATX Power Supply (cool thing: it turns on and off the mainboard with the switched 12V line and delivers controlled voltage output over a wide input range)
- VoomPC Car PC Mini-ITX Case (tiny as a normal amplifier)
- an Intel D945GCLF2 MiniITX-Board with a Intel Atom 330 CPU (which dies due to too high temperatures in the car a few days ago.....)
- in the mean time till I get a new Intel-Board I use my old VIA Epia M10000 Board with a VIA C3 CPU with 1 GHz. It runs everything much slowlier than the Intel-Board but it runs.

- a normal 2,5"-Notebook-Harddisk which fits directly under the Power Supply in the case
- the screen is a used 7-Inch-Indash-Touchscreen from Ebay
- It runs with XP SP3 as operating system (starting time with Intel-Board: about 50 seconds; with VIA Board: a little more than a minute; shutdown times with both boards in less than 30 seconds)

I have to optimize the cooling (build in more fans into the case) and than I am satisfied with the solution.

@Matt: Very nice! Thank you! I test it as soon as it will be available for download.

skylinegtrhr · Post by **skylinegtrhr** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:47 am

thanks Micha I will try something similar ...

MichaS14a · Post by **MichaS14a** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:55 am

If you want use a powerful Board like the Intel one I used it is better to use the M2 ATX power supply! I only use the M1 ATX because I already have it at home.

The M1 runs but the M2 is better if the Board sucks much power.