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Re: Strange lambda reading ...

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:03 pm
by Torque
Hi Eric,

Interesting ... treshold values, more tables?
I don't think these are in Nistune, but for academic reasons it would be nice to have as much in there a possible.
(though not required for 'tuning')

As for Lambda, I find a voltage of ZERO very odd, at least there should be some mV present.

But anyhow, my Lambda-Sensor is damaged and not giving much output at all.
Strange thing is that the ECU does not throw an error.

Also with the (sensor) output being so low the ECU must be trying to alter the mixture to get Lambda right (in closed loop), but without success.

So I think the ECU secretly switched to the Open Loop values set for these cells (in Nistune the ghosted ones in the fuel map)

The car runs alright except for a somewht too high fuel consuption and some minor idle issues.
It seems my K-Value is set spot on then?

Re: Strange lambda reading ...

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:11 am
by Torque
Hello,

I have changed the Lambda-Sensor today and now I have my
voltage readings back.

The ECU is chasing Lambda which can be seen on the log-graph (in purple)

Now there is just one question left:
It seems the ECU is not chasing Lambda while the TPS is in 'idle'
Is this a bug or a feature?

Thanks :)

Re: Strange lambda reading ...

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:18 pm
by Matt
I believe this is normal Nissan programming. This occurs on my R31 after reading the FSM

Re: Strange lambda reading ...

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:13 pm
by Torque
Hii ...

So rather feature than bug?

Is this the same on your R34?
I always thought when at idle you want to run at around Lambda=1 to
keep emissions low?

Re: Strange lambda reading ...

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:45 am
by PL
I've seen this on SR20's too. Open loop at idle.

To check O2 sensor operation I always hold them just above idle.

Some engine do seem to run closed loop at idle though.

PL

Re: Strange lambda reading ...

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:27 pm
by Torque
Hi ..

Yes, once TPS is off (so lifted) the sensor is starting to move it's output.
(Meaning the ECU alters mixture to chase Lambda)

Hmmm .. now the question where would I set the A/F for idle?
Is this the value in the fuel map which is ghosted? (the 2nd value for A/F)
? (must be)

Some engines just don't idle well with Lambda=1 and need a slightly rich mixture
to achieve a smooth idle operation.

Re: Strange lambda reading ...

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:55 am
by PL
I've never seen an actual idle mixture table for any Nissan ECU. So it's really a matter of balancing K Constant and Inj latency to get idle correct.

PL

Re: Strange lambda reading ...

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:09 am
by Torque
I just wanted to add that due to the damaged Lambda-Sensor the engine was prone to sudden stalling when the throttle was lifted.

This is gone with the new senor being installed.

Re: Strange lambda reading ...

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:27 am
by Matt
Must have been afftectimg ecu trying to go closed loop. At idle fuel map and latency are the main things to modify. There are only idle timing maps, not fuel